Serious, rigorous, didactic, Enrique López, judge and magistrate has served as counselor for the Presidency, Justice and the Interior since the May triumph of Isabel Díaz Ayuso .
From his office in front of the Madrid square of Pontejos, López has spoken with the eE , in an interview where he has weighed the policies of the Community of Madrid against those of Pedro Sánchez in the Government. From here, he also ventures a change in the cycle, and a key key: fiscal policy; the battle that will be fought in the next general elections.
Why do you think that the Socialist Party reaped such bad results in the Community of Madrid?
On the one hand, due to the great leadership of a great Isabel Díaz Ayuso, which has been recognized by a large majority of Madrilenians who have given their support to her candidacy, because it was endorsed by a previous management.
On the other, because the left does not realize that it is increasingly removed from the problems of citizens and their needs. They live anchored in ideologies of the nineteenth century. And above all, they create artificial problems for citizens, and citizens are not in these artificial problems. That is why I believe that the response that has been given to Ayuso and his candidacy in Madrid is a preview of what is going to happen in Spain.
I am convinced that at the moment there is majority support for the Popular Party throughout Spain, and we will see this as soon as there is a window of electoral opportunity as soon as there is a call for general elections; and of course, we will also see it if there is any other electoral appointment before.
“The answer that the ballot box has given to Ayuso is a preview of what will happen in Spain”
In part, could it have been a punishment for managing the pandemic?
There is no doubt that Madrid, with its vote, endorsed the management of Isabel Díaz Ayuso to the pandemic, and of course sent a clear and manifest wake-up call of how badly the Government of Spain has done. It has certainly been an endorsement of Ayuso and the CAM.
The president has had the wisdom to model the Madrid model, based on the maximum protection of health and at the same time also on the maintenance of economic activity. But a Madrid model has also been created in fiscal matters, with low taxes and efficient spending, trying to ensure that Madrilenians have the most money in their pockets, betting on the maintenance of good public services.
Ximo Puig wants the State to create a tax that falls on high incomes in Madrid to compensate for the ‘capital effect’
Yes. It is also striking statements such as that of the Valencian president, Ximo Puig, or how that of the Balearic president, criticizing the way of doing things in Madrid. It is a clear interference by an autonomous community in the management of another autonomous authority; something that we do not do from Madrid.
But of course, it responds to a clear touch by Moncloa to its regional presidents to question Isabel Díaz Ayuso and the CAM. But it is counterproductive, because every time they criticize Madrid they reveal the government’s mistakes.
Ximo Puig: “Responds to a clear touch from Moncloa to its presidents to question Ayuso”
And how can Madrid shield itself from these attacks?
We have all the legal instruments at our disposal to prevent interference in the fiscal autonomy of the Community of Madrid. Now, what really beats at the bottom of the matter are two models of policy and economic and financial management of the CCAA.
Because a lot of emphasis is placed on Madrid; but the Madrid model is that of Murcia and Andalusia; also that of Castilla y León and Galicia with governments of the Popular Party. And on the contrary, we have another model, which is that of spending and that of fiscal demand, of fiscal hell towards citizens.
That is the one that occurs in Valencia, in the Balearic Islands, the model that occurs in Castilla-La Mancha, and the one that occurs with pro-independence governments such as the Catalan one.
They say that Madrid’s fiscal model has been part of the success of Ayuso’s triumph. Do you think it can be an incentive for the next general elections?
Undoubtedly. In the next general elections, this is precisely the battle that will be fought. At the moment, Madrid has the highest GDP, it is the leading economy in Spain, it is the Autonomous Community that invests the most in the solidarity fund with more than 5,000 million; the second is Catalonia with 1,700 million.
Madrid cannot claim more solidarity, but it is curious that Madrid has been the capital of Spain for almost 500 years: it was in the 70s, in the 80s, but the deployment occurred in the years of the Popular Party government.
What does Madrid know about the distribution of funds at this time?
Well, the expert in this matter is the Minister of Finance and the Economy, who is the one who manages all this. But I can say that it is true that in this first installment of funds, the CAM has been seriously harmed, because criteria such as population and GDP have not been used, but rather others that are difficult to understand, which determine that other CCAA with less population and less weight of GDP receive more funds.
In any case, if it were necessary to define the distribution of EU funds, of the Next GenerationOn the part of the Government, it is fundamentally obscurantism and the lack of prior dialogue, within the nation itself. We believe that the model to follow should be the Italian one, which was to previously agree on the formulation of the petition to Europe with all regions, with all political parties, organizations, employers, unions.
Perhaps this is what should have been done in Spain. Therefore, in this sense, there is an enormous degree of uncertainty, and not only the administrations have it. The companies also have it, which at this point do not know how they will be able to participate in these funds. And it must be said that it is true that both Spain and Italy, as the main recipients of funds, we risk an international prestige,
“On the part of the Government, there is obscurantism in the distribution of funds”
In this international context, what did you think of the President of the Government’s trip to the United States?
The question is, with what objectives did he go to the United States, because we do not know, beyond meeting with investment funds. By the way, some of them very demonized by their partners in Spain. I believe that the most important political leader who has received Pedro Sánchez has been the mayor of Los Angeles.
The President of the Government has to be aware that he represents Spain abroad and that no one has received him in the United States, even if it was a short time, even if the President of the United States was 30 seconds, is not good.
Thus, it has been an empty trip, absolutely unsuccessful, in which, the only thing that has served is to increase more flight kilometers, but as regards the weight of Spain, with this trip we did not gain any international weight .
Sánchez’s trip: “The appropriate thing is that they had received him at the White House, at least 30 seconds”
Vox is dropping the possibility that perhaps it does not support the Budgets of either Madrid or Andalusia
Honestly, I do not believe that a party like Vox, which aspires to be an important party, in different coalitions and in different co-governance, I do not believe that in the future it will be able to condition such important aspects as those of the Budgets of an autonomous community for something very specific like what has happened in Ceuta.
What happens if our judicial bodies are not renewed? Can they take EU funds from us? Can the CGPJ hold like this?
One of the factors that the European Union is placing emphasis on is the independence of the General Council of the Judiciary of the member countries, and specifically in the image in which citizens perceive that independence.
This is what we are seeing in his performance with Hungary and especially with Poland. And in that sense, the EU demands a prompt renewal of the CGPJ, but it also demands the beginnings of an immediate reform, so that the CGPJ, as regards judges, are elected by the judges themselves, and the jurists are chosen by the cameras themselves. A way that is more respectful of the Constitution and the EU standard.
And, is the Popular Party in a position to undertake this renewal?
Yes always. The Popular Party has always been in a position to renew the body, but it puts as the first condition that this renewal is aimed at strengthening the independence of the judiciary, and not the opposite. And, the presence of Unidos Podemos in this renewal tends precisely to the opposite, because what they want is to delegitimize the Judicial Power, because that is how Unidos Podemos has always behaved, questioning the CGPJ, questioning its members when they resolve resolutions that do not like; and it is that they do not understand the law as a necessary element, but as a dispensable element, with which they cannot be in that negotiation.
And then it is that two years have passed, a long time has passed in which the renewal should have been given, and in those two years many things have happened to which the Government of Spain cannot turn a deaf ear.
And Europe asks Spain to adhere to that European standard for the election of the CGPJ, as regards judges, and that they be elected by judges. We cannot refuse to meet that European standard. That is why we ask the Government of Spain to initiate a reform in this regard and bring the legislation into line with the European standard.
“The PP has always been willing to renew the CGPJ, but in a serious and responsible way”
I understand then, that at one point in the negotiation United We can enter and everything fell apart
It shouldn’t be. But I am not going to enter into failed negotiation processes, it does not deserve any kind of comment. What I would like is for us to have a serious, objective and responsible negotiation process. And this happens by not denying what Europe is asking of us. The Government cannot hide behind the current legislation.
What is your opinion of the Democratic Memory Law?
I believe that it is an unnecessary and inconvenient law that fundamentally tries to update those two old Spain that we had long forgotten. The objective of this initial law has already been achieved in Spain.
I want to recall how on November 20, 2002, a resolution was approved unanimously at a time when the Popular Party had an absolute majority in Congress, in which the coup d’état of ’36 was condemned, and the objectives of reparation for the victims of the Civil War and the right to search for relatives and recover bodies. And it was done with the aim that there would never be that division in Spain.
Memory Law: “It is a law that wants to rewrite history. And history is written by historians”
Do you mean that with our current legislation it is not necessary?
This law only wants to confront, re-judge history and rewrite history. And history must be written by historians. It is striking how a Prosecutor’s Office is created for the investigation of the events of the war and the dictatorship of prescribed events, and the vast majority are part, as a result of the Amnesty Law, which is about events that do not they can be prosecuted.
This highlights the objective of the parties that support it, and is to update the pain of the victims, invent in many cases victims to face society again, because the Prime Minister lives much better in the confrontation, in the chaos and discord, and not precisely in that pretended search for harmony, which in Spain we already achieved in 1978. What happens is that he,
What is your opinion that an institution like the Generalitat uses a public institute to guarantee with money from all the bonds of those indicted by the procés?
It is a tortico trick that obviously does not resist a study, designed to satisfy the need of 34 people prosecuted for the procès and for embezzlement of public funds. It is a rule with an alleged general character, but which is a singular law, precisely, exclusively applicable to these people. It is an absolute deviation and disturbance of the general interest of the Catalan Government, which is bent on an independence crusade, fleeing from compliance with the law whenever it can.
The president of the Popular Party, Pablo Casado, is preparing a reform package to turn the country around in 100 days after he wins the elections. Can you tell us about any of these reforms?
I join what the president of the Popular Party, Pablo Casado, has said. I am part of the management, but I am only an area secretary, and the organization of the October National Convention corresponds to the president and the general secretary, and the vice secretaries, who I know are working hard. Until now, I have worked in my area, which is the strengthening of the judiciary and its independence.
What I do hope is that this convention is a rearmament of the Popular Party and the reaffirmation that we are before a government party and with options to govern, and that for the good of Spain, when the PP wins first, with Pablo Casado at the head, it will be much better.